Brad Palumbo

Yes, I'm very familiar with that kind of person.

Yeah.

Yeah.

As opposed to doing or just knowing and caring.

And it's a downfall of many movements.

Yes.

So that's always a good sign, I feel like.

Yeah.

then they have been defeated.

Right.

And they all died for nothing.

It's one of the things I don't like about academic history, that if we are people who are interested in making the world better than we have to learn from all the other people all over the world who tried to make the world better.

And, and especially from the ones who didn't succeed.

Because we don't want to do that again.

So refreshing to have the press secretary after the last few years who's both intelligent and articulate.

And that has, along with corruption and a government which doesn't really give a shit about the material welfare of its people, has already made things unsustainably hard for people in Venezuela.

And that will only get worse.

That is the thing, right?

Yeah.

People who adopt children from outside the United States, it's a process that takes years.