Braxton McCoy

Like there has to be amenities for this stuff.

Mental health centers, roads, bridges, infrastructure, food.

They have to have easy, ready access to food.

Kind of in a sense, the 15-minute walkable city thing applies to that in a sense.

And then affordable, that sounds like, hey, my kid can't afford a house right now, build a house that he can afford.

And that's the part they're trying to sell people on.

And I don't see how that's actually going to come out of any of this.

Well, it would affect, for the most part, it would affect the 11 Western states that have the most public land in them.

As far as who's pushing it hardest, it's usually Utah.

Has been since forever.

What do the people think?

The people hate it.

I mean, depending on where you source your numbers, this is either a 75-25 issue or a 80-20 issue.

I mean, the people hate it.

They've never wanted it.

I haven't seen an actual map.

I've seen a million maps.

Is it right outside of the city?

Or is it far away?

Well, that's the claim that's being made.