Braxton McCoy

That's okay at national parks or developed campgrounds, but on undeveloped ground, it doesn't cost you anything.

You can just go out and use it whenever you want.

Even if you live in Hoboken, New Jersey, you know?

that's what it's being used for and a there is that is some of the stuff that it's being used for there's a multiple mandate multiple use mandate in place right now under flipma which is the federal land and policy management act uh what that multiple use mandate guarantees is the preservation of the land

for its own value and also for the use of the American people.

So for recreating, grazing, extraction.

In the past, I would argue from a conservative right-wing perspective that

A lot of the managers within these agencies have stood in the way of parts of that multiple use.

You can just imagine someone saying, well, I want to bid on this piece of timber.

Here's our reason why we think this will fit within FLIPMA, and I want to go through that process.

And then it gets stalled by bureaucrats within an agency.

So I can understand the frustration, because I think FLIPMA...

gets abused in a lot of ways under like NEPA and others.

What is FLBMA?

Federal Land and Policy Management Act.

It has been abused, for sure.

But it's also been used well.

I mean, guys are still out grazing.

Some of them maybe not as long as they want to, and there's probably strong arguments in some of these cases for being able to graze a little more than they're grazing now, but...

They're at least out there grazing.