Braxton McCoy

But that's a good way to push this kind of thing onto the public.

Because if you take somebody who's got a grazing allotment in southern Utah, for example, if he's got an issue with a riparian area, so he's trying to fix some kind of water on his place, and it's BLM, it is much harder to get that done through the BLM than it is on state ground.

Because there are allotments on state ground as well.

What does the BLM stand for again?

Bureau of Land Management.

Okay.

And Utah has a thing called SITLA that covers most of their state lands.

It's like student initiative teachers, some shit.

Basically, it covers...

These lands are managed to make money for the Department of Education.

Well, if you wanted to fix some stuff on a riparian area on state land, it's way easier, just as an example.

And they'll even let you use your equipment and time and stuff like this as an in-kind contribution, so it's cheaper.

I can totally understand why a guy who's a rancher down there would prefer state management to BLM management on an allotment.

But from a political perspective, or from the perspective of the people that are pushing this, they know that if that land were to be ceded to, not back to, but ceded to the state, there's a provision in the constitution that says that the state constitution...

which is true of, this is true of basically every Western state I know of.

There's a provision in there that says any land held in our trust has to be managed to essentially highest maximum value.

So it has to make money.

Well,

I mean, I don't think I need to explain to people a grazing allotment is not going to make as much as a data center or something.

So you've just set it up for being sold off by transferring it into state control, unless the constitutions were to be amended.