Braxton McCoy

So I shook his hand, but I don't know him, never really met him.

I don't want to, you know, hello, thank you.

That's it, right?

But since then, when he got into office, he has since reintroduced this Public Hands and Public Lands Act that would protect this kind of stuff and add another layer of protection to what is already there.

I mean, he's been fantastic and totally stalwart on this.

For the everyday guy?

No, I don't think so.

No, I don't think the everyday guy wins anything.

If he was going to, there wouldn't be this many people pissed off at me for saying I don't think so.

I think when these arguments come up, the response should be the everyday man, hunter, fisher, wrangler, recreator,

You know, that kind of thing.

He only loses.

He loses access.

He loses his heritage, his birthright, all of that.

The winners are megacorps, donors, politicians, that kind of thing.

Kind of a typical American story.

The talk of...

You've got to allow for growth in these places, all of that.

That sort of thing has been argued since the beginning.

Yeah, and we went to the fucking moon while all of this existed, so I don't think it's necessarily holding us back in some serious way.