Brené Brown

Tell me more.

I mean, have Glazer and Strauss ever been the subject of an entire podcast before?

So helpful.

Yet, not only does it make sense, where have you been in every, I feel like about half the people I work with think I'm a gritty facts person and the other half think I'm a gritty faith person because I'm always trying to add the one that's missing.

And get people to understand we got to do both.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But like, but then you get pigeonholed as the person who's always complaining or, you know, like being a negative, what is it?

A negative Nancy, a nervous Nelly.

Why, why are these all women by the way?

But yeah.

Neil.

Or you get kind of, you get stereotyped as a little Pollyanna because you're saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that there are problems, but I also believe that we can solve them.

And otherwise, why are we here?

How do you get teams to recognize that they need both?

I mean, you just gave a near verbatim analysis of part of the power of the MLK, I have a dream speech.

Have you seen the Nancy Duarte analysis of this?

It's so good.

And what I had not seen until she made it so clear is exactly what you're describing now, which is that he spends most of the first part of the speech just talking about the brutal reality of what is.

and describing the check that could not be cashed, the promissory note that basically was not good.