Brenda Hartnett

You were basically told it was none of your concern and you were accused of being...

unprofessional for speaking out about it.

I mean, I wrote to Bernard Gloucester, I wrote to all of the ministers or the parliamentarians who had some responsibility for health.

And it was just, it was almost accepted that this is the way things are.

And, you know, it was...

Well, it was... I feel a disrespect for clinicians.

I mean, after all, clinicians and medical and nursing professions, we are the ones who are responsible for healthcare delivery.

You know, we're the ones who the patient needs to see.

Um...

And yet, there was no workforce planning, for instance.

There was never any desire by so-called... I mean, the concept of senior management, I actually struggle with that because it's quite hard to see how they have reached these lofty roles because there's very little evidence of their managerial skills or their leadership skills.

but anyway I'm sure they were hired on merit like anybody is well I would yes yes I'm pleased to say that but anyway that's just my cynicism and

Sorry, I've sort of lost track of what the question was.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

You know, to try to explain that to managers, it was almost like our voices, you know, weren't being heard.

And there was sort of an acceptance that if your waiting lists were...

under 12 months or once they didn't stray over 12 months, no one actually really cared.

And yet, as everybody knows, we talk about early intervention across all disciplines and in all spheres.