Brenda Power

OK.

Are people overstating the implications of this for a national election, which, you know, a general election is a very different thing.

But could we see Nigel Farage in 10 Downing Street?

OK, Mark, stay with us for a minute, will you?

Brendi, you picked a piece in the Sunday Times, Starmer brings back Brown amid growing backlash.

Now, we should say Gordon Brown is viewed now retrospectively.

He lost an election.

He's viewed as a person of huge integrity.

And when he speaks, people listen and all that kind of thing.

It's great.

I mean, that shouldn't matter, but somehow it really does.

And there is a lot of talk now about their system, which was created for a two-party system, and it's not.

Mark, Harriet Harman did say an interesting thing before this news emerged that she was coming back to save Labour.

I saw her on Friday say, she said, the problem here is the narrative.

And you did think Labour are not telling any kind of story about Britain.

Farage is telling people a story that they can get on board with, isn't he?

And Daniel, you were talking earlier about how at least our government has money to throw at their, maybe the fact that people don't love them as much as they might.

Stammer has nothing, sure he doesn't really.

Mark, before you go, in a word, does it feel like these are seismic times in the UK, that England and the UK are at some kind of tipping point of massive change here?

Okay, Mark Paul of the Irish Times, thank you very much for that.