Brett (Brett Meiselas)

And even if it's

is just a phase one.

I hope that phase one is successful in bringing the hostages back and ending the hostilities.

Like, so, I mean, we'll see what happens.

But, you know, one of the issues with that fire hose of lies, as Ben has described, you know,

throughout this episode is that we don't know the truth with any of these deals ever.

I mean, Donald Trump has touted deal after deal after deal with all of these various countries on trade and all this other stuff.

It's all been bullshit so far.

And so it's just really hard to go into this and to take his word

And I don't take his word on anything like that, as I've said so many times on the show.

But that's why I'm looking to seeing what other countries are doing, how they're reacting.

But, you know, I think we have to see what happens here.

You know, I'm willing to keep an open mind because I, more than anything, desperately want to see an end to this conflict.

I want to see...

The hostages come home.

I want to see the Palestinian people live in peace.

The Israeli people live in peace.

I think there are a lot of just innocent people who have been caught up in this just horrifying bloodshed right now.

And I hope that they are thinking of how do we make this a lasting and durable peace after we get through this phase once.

we're able to execute phase one and that goes well which i really hope it does what's phase two what's the plan as you were saying ben to ensure that these two groups can live side by side in peace and i think the president of the united states should have some sense of that or should be pushing for for that in some way by the way maybe his solution is a one-state solution where the palestinians and israelis live in one state together and they're gonna you know figure out how to structure the government in a way that's fair