Brett Meiselas

But it's also just such a damning indictment of our society and our democracy that this is where we are at this time.

It's deeply concerning, especially someone who has a kid, another kid on the way.

You guys have young children as well, and not just for our families, but for everybody's families.

We love this country, not to get too preacher or whatnot, but we genuinely love this country.

We want to see it succeed.

But it has to start with our leaders, our public servants serving the people.

trying to do what's best for everybody how can we how can we make housing more affordable for for all the generations how can we make health care more affordable what should we do about you know reproductive rights like these are like issues that genuinely people want to figure out and solve and yet there's an entire constituency of of leadership out there that don't actually want to solve it they want to use it as issues to kind of like raise money and just make you angry at the other and

It's deeply disappointing and deeply concerning.

The other thing that honestly keeps me up at night, Ben, and I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this.

Are these Donald Trump weird quirks where he's just putting his name on everything now, right?

Whether it's the triumphant arc that he wants to build or renaming the Kennedy Center, the Trump Kennedy Center, putting his face on the passports.

He's just such a malignant narcissist that just needs to see literally his fingerprints on anything.

It's very obvious that he is sort of coming to grips with his own sort of mortality, that he needs to leave his mark on this world.

Like in his mind, he physically needs to leave his mark on this world in some way or some form.

And yet he's now surrounded himself by yes people that constantly tell him how great he is and what a great job he's doing, whereas the American people at large don't.

don't agree with that know what a horrible job he's doing because we all feel it in our lives and this person donald trump this thing is just at this point where i i i'm concerned like there is a nuclear option here where quite literally there's a nuclear option here where he just wants to leave his mark on this world so badly that he will do whatever it takes to make sure that trump print the stamp the face the whatever you want to call it is left on this world

I do think that's so much of it.

He wants to have something that lives beyond him.

I think he's made comments, especially recently, about his own mortality, not going to heaven, all the kind of weird comments he makes.

And I think a lot of that is a reason, honestly, if you dig deep into his psyche, is one of the reasons for the ballroom, for these posters, for his name on these things.