Brian Deese

And it across time, what that means is when it comes to security partnerships, when it comes to economic partnerships, countries just aren't going to be as willing or set a higher price to actually partner with with the U.S. And look, at the end of the day, we should be prepared to stand up more aggressively, more when countries are cheating and breaking the rules.

And it across time, what that means is when it comes to security partnerships, when it comes to economic partnerships, countries just aren't going to be as willing or set a higher price to actually partner with with the U.S. And look, at the end of the day, we should be prepared to stand up more aggressively, more when countries are cheating and breaking the rules.

And a lot of that is really a story about China. And we should be more aggressive in saying China uses all of its tools of economic statecraft to actually flood markets like steel in the US to undercut our capacity. We should be more vocal about that. We shouldn't be apologized for saying we're going to stand up for American disinterest.

And a lot of that is really a story about China. And we should be more aggressive in saying China uses all of its tools of economic statecraft to actually flood markets like steel in the US to undercut our capacity. We should be more vocal about that. We shouldn't be apologized for saying we're going to stand up for American disinterest.

The challenge is when you're doing that on multiple fronts and not distinguishing between a country like China, where you can identify multiple instances where they're doing this and Canada, where it's really hard to put like a sentence, let alone a paragraph together of saying, what is it that we're actually so concerned about or afraid about in that context? You know, when the U.S.

The challenge is when you're doing that on multiple fronts and not distinguishing between a country like China, where you can identify multiple instances where they're doing this and Canada, where it's really hard to put like a sentence, let alone a paragraph together of saying, what is it that we're actually so concerned about or afraid about in that context? You know, when the U.S.

stops differentiating between this, then, you know, you start to put us in a position where we're not going to have many friends or allies around the world.

stops differentiating between this, then, you know, you start to put us in a position where we're not going to have many friends or allies around the world.

Yeah. Yeah, look, in the first instance, I don't think we should denigrate a number of the goals that President Trump and his team are putting forward. They're talking about wanting to have more sustained, strong economic growth in this country. We should be shooting for that. My concern is not that goal. It's just I don't think that the policies are going to get us there.

Yeah. Yeah, look, in the first instance, I don't think we should denigrate a number of the goals that President Trump and his team are putting forward. They're talking about wanting to have more sustained, strong economic growth in this country. We should be shooting for that. My concern is not that goal. It's just I don't think that the policies are going to get us there.

He's talking about building manufacturing capacity, industrial capacity here in the U.S. Right goal. The question is, is any of this actually going to get there? So I think we should be – quite clear about saying, these are goals that we share. The question is, how do we get there?

He's talking about building manufacturing capacity, industrial capacity here in the U.S. Right goal. The question is, is any of this actually going to get there? So I think we should be – quite clear about saying, these are goals that we share. The question is, how do we get there?

And yes, I think that there are a number of places where we need to ask ourselves really hard questions about, are we using the tools we have to stand up as aggressively as we can for the interests of American workers, American consumers, and where our economy is going to go over the Uh, but I also think we have to maintain this view that there, that there is smart and stupid here, right?

And yes, I think that there are a number of places where we need to ask ourselves really hard questions about, are we using the tools we have to stand up as aggressively as we can for the interests of American workers, American consumers, and where our economy is going to go over the Uh, but I also think we have to maintain this view that there, that there is smart and stupid here, right?

There is a, um, a line between saying just because we have a tool, we are going to, you know, bang away at it versus, you know what, like putting more costs on typical consumers right now at the grocery store and the gas pump is just not a good idea. And so We're going to stand up and say we could be using these tools more aggressively.

There is a, um, a line between saying just because we have a tool, we are going to, you know, bang away at it versus, you know what, like putting more costs on typical consumers right now at the grocery store and the gas pump is just not a good idea. And so We're going to stand up and say we could be using these tools more aggressively.

But to the end of actually, for example, having an auto industry that actually gets competitive again and that actually competes with China, that would be a goal worth actually fighting for. That would be a goal worth using our tools more effectively for.

But to the end of actually, for example, having an auto industry that actually gets competitive again and that actually competes with China, that would be a goal worth actually fighting for. That would be a goal worth using our tools more effectively for.

So the power that OMB has within the executive branch and under the Constitution is quite limited. Congress is responsible for appropriating money and the executive branch must follow the laws that Congress passes. Exactly. But well, but well, but I think we're going to come back to this, which is an OMB is responsible for them.

So the power that OMB has within the executive branch and under the Constitution is quite limited. Congress is responsible for appropriating money and the executive branch must follow the laws that Congress passes. Exactly. But well, but well, but I think we're going to come back to this, which is an OMB is responsible for them.