Brian Hayes

The game now is very different.

So those types of defensemen that can – and even Lane Hudson went 62nd overall.

Like, you know, Quinn Hughes went 7th.

Well, you almost had to convince so many people that, oh, no, he can play.

You give him a chance.

Let him go play.

I remember when Bob Clark first became our manager in Minnesota, his office, and we were in his office, and he said, you know, I like those defensemen that come in my office and have to duck under the doorway.

Okay, we got the message, Bob.

But, you know, like you know, Jeff, the game was a little bit different, a lot different.

And it's now conducive to those types of players being able to come in and really make a difference.

Well, I mean, Gavin's a heck of a player.

I don't think there's any question about it.

But if you think there's a better player, then I think that you have to make sure that you evaluate what it is.

If you're worried about the consensus, you're worried about the wrong things.

Les Jackson, who I worked with for a long time, said, I'd rather be wrong with my opinion than right with somebody else's.

And that's the courage part, Brian.

And if you've got scouts that aren't ready to do that, get rid of them.

Because you don't want scouts that aren't going to stand up.

You know, I'll go right back to Cale McCarr.

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