Brian Koppelman

And then, so I do have like a way to engage in a conversation because I've done work that also sometimes will resonate with people.

But even when that's not the case, people work so hard on their stuff.

Like if I can send somebody a note and say, your work has an impact, I want to send that note.

And yeah, I want to learn.

And I want to, I also want to help

teach people if I can about stuff that I know.

We're all human beings and we're all along this path.

And I think you gain, I don't know, I think you just gain so much from interacting with people whose experience is not like yours.

And I guess that's really the, what do I get at a reading about Cameron Haynes' life, right?

What I get at a reading about his life

is an understanding of people whose belief system mirrors his.

Well, of course, if he grew up where I did, raised the way I was by the parents I had and the community I was in, well, the belief system would look a lot more like my belief system.

But that's not the way that that person was raised.

And so if I want to, instead of just thinking like I know better, if I want to instead think like,

Well, why doesn't another, a really smart, rigorous person think about the world so differently than I do?

Well, if I acknowledge that person's smart, and if I acknowledge they're rigorous, then I can't just write off their belief system.

I have to instead be curious about it.

And I have to instead say, well, how can I understand it?

And not even be there to change it, but if I understand it, will something shift in me that then I can relay back to that person if we ever meet, and maybe something would shift in them?

And maybe we'll all move toward a place of better understanding.