Brian Levine

So when they would go to Yahoo or Google,

they would see an advertisement for a wire transfer agent.

And so they thought this was legit.

And what the Bayrob group would tell many of them was that when Americans go and travel in Europe, they often get mugged and lose their passport and lose their money.

And so what we do is we help relatives get the money quickly.

And so these people thought they were actually doing something good, that they were helping out.

And I will never forget when one of the most prolific money mules testified at trial and the defense attorney tried to

tried to cross-examine her and make her, you know, he said, well, you're calling these people victims now, but you didn't see them as victims then.

She absolutely exploded because she was, she said, I was so embarrassed.

This is like the worst thing that's ever happened to my life.

I never knew.

I didn't mean to do this, et cetera.

And he, as he was coming back, he turned to us on the prosecution table and said, one too many questions.

That was other key evidence, by the way, because once we arrested them, the botnet stopped.

Well, so the defense's main defense is the most common defense that you typically see at the Department of Justice, which we refer to as the Saudi defense, which stands for some other dude did it, which I would refer to as the sortie defense in this case, some other Romanian dude did it.

So that was their defense.

They didn't put on witnesses.

They challenged our evidence.

And as you would expect in a case like this, argued that there was insufficient evidence to say that these were the guys.

They were found guilty on all counts.