Brian Levine

And so we felt quite good.

Those were some of the highest sentences you'll ever see, or at least as of that time in a cybercrime case.

And even today, it's pretty rare.

Wow.

And I want to be clear, though, like, you could be very smart and still fall for this.

So two things I want to make clear.

I don't know if it was clear from the background.

When you went to eBay...

the malware if you were infected with the malware it would make it appear that ebay had an escrow agent protection program and you were sending the money to a ebay escrow agent who would only release the money once you got the car and were satisfied with it that was all just the malware it was a money mule but anybody would see that and think all right that sounds very safe and the urls would say ebay even it was just all malware exactly that's really sophisticated

And one of the victims who testified at trial was a used car salesman who had a dealership who would buy cars online all the time.

And he fell for this too.

He had a very lengthy chat with the Bayrob group, not knowing it was the Bayrob group, about this escrow agent program because he hadn't seen it before.

They must have stayed on with him for an hour to convince him that this was real.

And then ultimately he fell for it.

And I think that helped that the jury looked at this guy testify who was victimized as a car dealer and were like, oh, well.

If he fell for it, I would have fell for this.

Attorney's Office.

Including Duncan Brown, Brian McDonough, and Omickel Carney, in addition to myself.

I imagine eBay was helpful.

eBay was helpful, as was a lot of the brands whose trademarks these guys mimicked in order to trick people.