Brian McDermott

So you've got to trace it back to what was the decision?

What was the plan?

Would they have been?

Because they weren't... Toronto... Well, they would have been because everybody who'd gone in the camp would have had to have a slice of the pie, a slice of the broadcasting rights.

That would have been the only way it existed.

Everybody listening to this thinks it's all petty.

But then you look at the broadcasting rights from the NRL and from the money that they get from investment...

Dwarfs, just dwarf Super League clubs.

To get it back to the bloke stood on the field opposite, you know, the Pacific Nations at the end of the year in the World Cup.

Any player that represents that level of competition, that has that level of challenges, that has that many disadvantages.

This is that word humility.

I reckon we've got to be aware of all this as players.

Yeah.

should be looking to drive them.

You know, the fact that we get close to it is, yeah, it's a strength, isn't it?

No, it wasn't.

I think I was probably on the... You might have been in Oz by then, would you?

So we dyed our hair red.

I'm coaching Rhinos.

We never played against each other, no.