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Brian VanDeMark

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

Well, when I reflect on the tragedy, I think that the three most fundamental points to convey here are poor leadership, poor training, and a volatile emotional atmosphere on both sides.

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

And a descending order of priority from first to last.

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

Leaders have, to me, a moral responsibility to be thoughtful and restrained in the words that come out of their mouth when it comes to dealing with highly volatile situations.

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

The military leadership of the National Guard at Kent State on May 4th under Assistant General Robert Kendery was abysmally inappropriate, unwise, and the consequences of that were horrific.

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

And the National Guardsmen themselves had almost no training whatsoever in dealing with student protests.

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

Just to make my point,

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

They were armed with tear gas and high velocity rifles with live bullets.

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

Nothing in between, nothing else.

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

And they had no experience dealing with student prisoners.

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

They hadn't been conditioned in terms of how to deescalate a situation, how to minimize the use of force.

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

In fact, I think quite frankly, a lot of them had joined the National Guard to avoid the draft.

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

And as a result of that, didn't want to be there to begin with.

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

Well, again, think about how they are trained or not trained at all and how they're equipped.

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

And as I said, it's so difficult and frankly often dangerous to generalize about this, but if you pressed me, I would say that the typical National Guardsman in Kent over that weekend before May 4th

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

was probably a working class guy whose parents could not afford to send him to college and at some level resented the fact that these quote-unquote privileged kids who had become radicals who were disrupting law and order

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

And they're operating in an increasingly emotional atmosphere too.

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

And I think that it's a dangerous mixture.

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

It's a volatile mixture.

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

But another irony of this is on that Sunday, May 3rd, during the day, the National Guardsmen had fraternized with the Kent State College students on campus.

American History Hit
Darkest Hours: The Kent State Shootings

There was actually a mood of concord and dialogue.