Bridget Armstrong

has a really unique understanding of what entertains audiences and what keeps the conversation going.

I was like, maybe Tyra does get that, like, what she's saying is bullshit and it's not a real apology and she's not accountable.

And maybe she knows that's going to keep sparking conversation, right?

Like, she knows that makes people angry.

She knows we're going to talk about it even more.

upsetting and harmful stereotypes absolutely I think it really gets at the crux of Tyra's complicated legacy early last year so when we were just starting on production on the podcast Tyra got an award from Essence from Essence magazine and it was like a luminary award and she gave this speech and

She talked about how she had to fight for diversity on A&TM, right?

When people did not think that the girl from the hood could be a model, right?

When people didn't think that plus size models could be supermodels, right?

You guys have no idea how hard we fought to bring the diversity to that television show at a time where it didn't exist.

to show different beauties at a time when the world was like, what?

You casting that and what?

And what is that?

And Tyra actually, she refers to that also in the Netflix doc, Ken Mock does too.

They talk about having this argument with a CBS exec who didn't want a Latina model on the first season, right?

Like, these fights were real.

So I think all of that happening to her is what sort of sparked her to want to make sure that A&TM was diverse.

But the problem is...

She also wanted a hugely successful show, right?

She says it in the Netflix doc.