Brittany Luce

It sounds like what you're saying is that like the popularity of like nakedly racist and nakedly homophobic, nakedly transphobic, nakedly anti-Semitic messages is so high.

I agree with you.

It's higher than I've ever seen it in my lifetime that you think that...

there may not even be necessity to code it into like this sort of denim ad.

And also that the public may not even have the patience to want to decipher that if, if even that were to be the case.

Oh.

I think that generally a lot of Americans' appetite for thinking about racism is so low.

I think it's just always very low that I don't even think that a boy who cried wolf situation even really applies or could apply.

I'm curious how many Americans perceive call-outs about racism as something they should be concerned about because it's racist, and how many think that it's something they should be concerned about because it's a social faux pas.

I've had my fair share of conversations and meetings and polite reach-outs and offers to buy coffee, people that I think really were just driven by sort of like white guilt.

So to me, it's like, I don't know if people are always processing call-outs about racism as like, oh, I should be concerned about this because racism is bad.

Like, oh, I should be concerned about this so people think I'm a good person and I can keep my job.

You could kind of read it a few different ways.

Hmm.

More from Constance and Tyler after the break.

I feel we can't have this conversation without also thinking about Dark Woke.

There have been stirrings around Dark Woke since the 2024 presidential election, kind of on the Democratic team.

Some people, this idea of Dark Woke was kind of spearheaded by figures like Jasmine Crockett or Gavin Newsom.

What is Dark Woke?

And how do you think it fits in here?