Brittany Luce

Like she very much, I feel like captures like a certain like ideal of beauty

Yeah, I mean, that's a really good point.

I mean, Demna's Gucci was very much about like, I don't know, it felt like the kind of people that you'd see walking into or out of a club at like three o'clock in the morning.

A lot of tight dresses, a lot of bored expressions, sometimes maybe a little bit of a wobbly walk.

I don't know whether it was intentional or not.

There's like an impenetrable kind of sheen there.

I mean, if that is any indication, which, you know, in many ways, like Devna is a designer who's big on spectacle, big on playing into pop culture and kind of putting up a mirror to people as far as like what they are experiencing or perhaps overindulging or enjoying a lot right in the moment.

I think that's such an apt example for this moment and what we're seeing sort of play out aesthetically with Numb Girls.

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I think that this numb thing is very closely related to some other online trends from like the past few years, including like all of the different tendrils of quote unquote femininity content, you know, news fatigue, even, you know, something you both have written about this idea of lobotomy chic.

I see you nodding rain.

Can you explain lobotomy chic for those of us who may not be in the know?

Sophie, what about you?

You wrote a whole article about lobotomy chic.

What were you noticing?

I mean, lobotomies were really messed up.

Hopefully that goes without saying.