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predominantly straight audience that this boogeyman is reproduced over and over again in culture.

And this brings me to a question.

You know, it seems like the DL archetype is a form of misplaced fears and anxieties.

What is a more productive way to think about the way some Black men are navigating their sexual and social lives?

Hmm.

Not just accepted.

I want to note that you use the word celebrated.

Kai, Jeffrey, I've really enjoyed this conversation.

Thank you both so much.

That was Dr. Jeffrey McCune, author of Sexual Discretion, Black Masculinity and the Politics of Passing, and Kai Wright, a journalist and host for The Guardian, who has been writing about sexual politics for the last 30 years.

This episode of It's Been a Minute was produced by Corey Antonio Rose.

This episode was edited by Nina Potok.

Our supervising producer is Barton Girdwood.

Our VP of programming is Yolanda Sanguini.

All right.

That's all for this episode of It's Been a Minute from NPR.

I'm Brittany Luce.

Talk soon.

Okay, I'm going to pose an impossible question to you.

It's a totally not a yes or no question that I'm going to pose to you as a yes or no question.