Brittany Luce

That was NPR correspondent Shannon Bond.

So a jury will decide who will ultimately police social media.

Will it be up to the social media company to police themselves?

Or will the law intervene to regulate how and what a social media company can do to keep its users engaged?

But, and this is the big but...

That doesn't really answer the more philosophical question of whether or not social media itself is quote unquote addictive.

And that question gets at the heart of how we define and understand what addiction is in this country, from tobacco all the way to your algorithm.

So coming up, I'm going to try to answer that question for you.

I'm here with Carl Eric Fisher, addiction psychiatrist and author of the book, The Urge, Our History of Addiction.

Okay, I'm going to pose an impossible question to you.

It's a totally not a yes or no question that I'm going to pose to you as a yes or no question.

Is social media addictive?

Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, to follow up.

Okay, so I ask because I guess if I'm being honest here, like I reach for my phone automatically in almost every situation.

When I first wake up, when I'm bored, when I'm stressed, or even when I, I don't know, want to connect with someone or make a post for work.

It's so ingrained in my brain and in my hands.

It's like an overwhelming physical and psychological urge.

It feels like an addiction.

I'm not like this about anything else in my life.

Is this a fair...