Brittany Luce

Natasha, what's going on there?

Well, I think a couple of things are going on.

Wow.

I feel like I'm seeing a lot of the same patterns of tech companies going to schools and universities and exerting a lot of influence over what their curricula look like.

you know, in terms of like tech and coding and all of this stuff, maybe 15 and 20 years ago, it feels very similar.

The pattern feels quite similar now as far as perhaps trying to convince universities, students, and, you know, job seekers that like, yeah, AI is what's next and you need to be prepared for it.

Okay, I want to kind of zoom out here.

Like we have unpacked all of these shifts and changes in what previously defined AI.

a quote unquote good job.

What are laid off tech workers or new computer science graduates like pivoting to?

Like what are the quote unquote good jobs now?

Hmm.

Hmm.

Raya, have you seen any of this as well?

This has been extremely eye-opening.

So thank you both so much.

I really appreciate it.

That was Raya Jetta, tech culture reporter for the San Francisco Standard, and Natasha Singer, technology reporter for the New York Times and author of the upcoming book, Coding Kids, Big Tech's Battle to Remake Public Schools.

This episode of It's Been a Minute was produced by Liam McBain.

This episode was edited by Nina Potok.