Bruce Anderson

And he stole Jordan.

And he contributed to a government that didn't always do the things that he wanted.

And he managed to find a way to

maintain his integrity.

I mean, I'm sure he didn't expect or want the government to own the TMX pipeline under Justin Trudeau, just as he is not keen on the current government deciding that it is for a pipeline.

What does it all mean?

I mean, look, I think that the change in leadership happened at a time when there was a change in context and leadership is about at the end, the best leadership is about making hard choices, not avoiding them.

And if there's a hard choice here that the prime minister is making, it's really got two parts.

One is to put a greater priority than had been put as he would see it on economic development and the pace of economic development.

which means other priorities maybe are a little bit receding.

But the second part of the argument I think that the prime minister is making, and it remains to be seen whether or not the price is paid, the question surrounds him in perpetuity, or whether three years from now people come to a different conclusion.

I think the argument that he's making is that the aspiration for climate action is the same.

His view is that the policies that were in place were well intended, were perhaps well designed for the moment, but weren't in every case working.

They weren't creating the progress that the politicians wanted to say that they were, that they weren't going to allow Canada to meet the targets that we had committed to.

And so his...

argument i think is let me put in place some different policies with the same aspiration um

and let's give them a chance to work within the context of the economic policy changes that we're trying to make at the same time.

I think Canadians will, by and large, say, let's let this play out a bit more to see whether or not we can believe that the environment is going to be more at risk under a Carney government, or that he's right, that his policies are going to achieve the kind of goals that people want, both from an economic standpoint and an environmental standpoint.

Well, I agree that it's very tricky, but I don't have the same degree of worry about whether or not this prime minister cares about climate or the environment.

Well, not just our own history, but I guess I think that