Bryan Cantrill

I know it's a little bit different, but I think it still takes a lot of self-control around here because everybody wants product market fit. And when you have product market fit, which I think we could not, not to disparage secure scuttlebutt or beaker, but this was, this was like probably things that didn't have as much product market fit. Correct. I see what you're getting at.

You can see we're having this conversation about Beaker, but poor Beaker. You've got this enormous product market fit and to have the discipline to say, if we don't fix this, we can't fake it till we make it, move fast and break things, all these other kind of Silicon Valley mantras that actually you're going to end up with something that's broken at the end of it.

You actually won't have something that works.

which I got to say is another act of real discipline, because I think that part of what makes this challenging is that you are trying to build blue sky as kind of an exemplar of what's possible on at proto. And it's in any of these things, it's tempting to just be like, ah, just like, okay, can we just get like blue sky working? And then we'll, we'll quit.

We'll figure at proto out later and allow people to do this kind of on their own later. I mean, it must be, I mean, obviously that's not a temptation that you all had because of the strong call to mission, but I just think it takes an admirable amount of discipline to really say like, no, we actually need to do this the right way. And we need to allow the,

We want to be sure that this thing is actually, that at Proto is the actual basis that we're building this on, and that Blue Sky is but an instantiation of it. I'm really impressed about that. Was there... I mean, there must have been some level of tension of like, hey, we've got to, like, we're missing a window of opportunity. Did people feel that way?

Or did you feel that the window of opportunity, did you... know that your agent on the inside of X, Mr. Musk, is going to continue to operate per your explicit wishes?

I got to say, I really... Just speaking as a consumer, I really appreciate that choice because there were very few... One of the reasons that I was still sadly on the fucking bird site was because of DMs. And I actually do need DMs. And this... But DMs are a place, and my DMs have always been open on both platforms. It's been very interesting to watch the supposedly bot-free Twitter.

I was going to say, wow. Oh, my God.

either right now i thought it was great when blue sky it's like oh i got some i got like unsolicited crypto and and oh without noise and some porn is here too it's like this is great like this guy's gonna make it this is so this is all warming mods uh this is like three quarters of them is like report a spam report a spam but it's so essential for the times when it's not that though so you know it's good yeah

Yeah, and I also feel it's like DMs are... I think that you all made the right call there in that DMs are a good place where it's like, yeah, I try... This does not need to be a part of that proto for this. I actually just need the Blue Sky app to have this functionality. I guess you all have done such a good job... mimicking and it's Steve did the right thing.

So Steve was a Twitter dead ender until he wasn't. And I thought like, there was a time when Steve's like, yeah, I'm like, I'm just, I'm going down with the ship, man. Like, I just don't care how bad this place gets. And I'm like, I don't know, man. I'm kind of, and then I'm like, you know what? I am. I'm going to go down with the ship too. And then I look over and I'm like, where's Steve?

Steve's gone. And I'm like, Steve is Steve has like deleted his Twitter. Steve is gone. Gone. And I'm like, oh, okay, this is actually, maybe I'm being liberated to get Gone Gone. So, I mean, I desperately wanted to get off of that thing as it was just like absolutely descending into the muck.

But the thing that has happened to me a couple of times, and I don't know if this has happened to you, like, look, look, I would love to tell you that I've been off for a long time, but it's a process, man. One day at a time. Okay. Like every day is a struggle.

Some days I got to call my sponsor and the number of times that I have, you've got, you all have done such a good job on just like the look and feel the number of times I have been like, Hey, you know what? Actually looking at these, these posts are actually surprisingly good for the hellscape that Twitter is. Oh no, wait a minute. I'm blue sky.

Or then also what has often happened is that I will get a... You know who's not on Blue Sky? Only the good VCs are on Blue Sky right now. This will change very shortly. But the VCs that really troll the hell out of me are all like have shackled themselves to the mast of Twitter. And I just don't have the self-control to not actually go and go to the rage bait.

Um, but then I will, the, the, the, the, the inverse also happens where, um, I will accidentally leave a Twitter window up and I'll be like, oh man, blue skies. So you've done an excellent, excellent, excellent job of.

Yeah, Mastodon. The problem with Mastodon, I love Mastodon. Do you? I love aspects of Mastodon. No, no, no, I don't love Mastodon. I was trying to find, this is like where I'm sorry for not being sorry. I love the idea of loving Mastodon. That's what I love. Yeah, I think that's right. But Mastodon has got the usability of a BBS. And I love BBSs.

Paul, I'm not sure how much... This is like modem era social networking. But the problem was... And this is part of why it's really important to... And I thought you all did actually a really good job of... Talking about why not ActivityPub and why not Mastodon. And there are some really good reasons for that.

And I think that Mastodon should... I mean, I think it's going to be... We're going to continue to be on Mastodon. I think it's great. I think that it serves a great purpose, but... the problem is that the, uh, like I'm a, I'm a, I am a baseball and football fan and I like social networking because I, I like sports Twitter. What was sports Twitter?