Bryan Cantrill

All right.

That feels, yeah.

Sorry to, sorry to get you.

He's already talked about LLMs.

What is his name?

I think he has.

Yeah.

He said like, you said like you need to make sure that when you're using tools that you like use them in a way that's like good for humanity and not bad or something like it was like a very like not pro, but not like super anti, but it was like a little anti if I remember correctly.

for software engineers and do you think that we had a name but yeah sorry sorry we had a lobster situation where like somebody was like borderline suicidal because of being upset about the fact that their like life skills was no longer going to matter anymore and it was like it became like a community problem um because yeah so like it's it's definitely happening for sure okay so i'm gonna predict that we name that

One thing I love about the Jevons paradox is that, Brian, you're the first person I've ever heard cite it.

And then in the years since I've heard you cite it, it's been cited increasingly more often.

I feel like I see people reference the Jevons paradox once every three months now when I'd never heard of it five years ago.

Simon also did his three year was like what I was trying to get at, but I couldn't figure out how to say it.

And I said something that was much worse.

So mine ended up being like using AI tools and writing software professionally is going to be considered something closer to autocomplete or syntax highlighting than something controversial or exceptional.

And I was trying to like, I originally had something in there about like,

the industry is going to figure out our existential crisis around these tools.

And it's just going to be like one way or the other, but I couldn't like figure out how to put it.

So like I was second, I think it was very well said Simon.

Yeah.