Bryan Cantrill

And, you know, rigorous is not to everyone have the same kind of sex appeal.

And it wasn't just all languages.

It was operating systems and operating environments, right?

It was like the right once run anywhere meant you don't have to worry about the, the details of Mac and windows and Unix and, and all the different flavors of Unix.

No, you just write it once and you're ready to run it anywhere.

Uh, and, and it,

it meant all of that other stuff was just going to become meaningless.

And the only thing that was going to matter with Java, you're totally right that it took all the air out of the room for like a big chunk of like the late 90s, maybe early 2000s.

Yes.

If anything, they could judge just a little bit more.

That's a great prediction.

One-year prediction.

Brian finally joins the podcast.

In 2024, if you remember, I did the Apple VR will do well in a second version and then that has not happened at all.

So that was a big miss.

Okay.

I'm really proud of my one year from last year, though, because I said congestion pricing in NYC will be an unambiguous success.

It will still exist and sentiment will be positive.

And the mayor did a press announcement like 45 minutes ago about how awesome congestion pricing is and how much everybody loves it.

So I got that one like exactly nailed.