Bryan Cantrill

um for whatever reason i somehow got i i'm like i think this can really help us i'm like redfish this seems really interesting this is going to solve exactly this kind of problem that you mentioned and remember i remember you being like i don't think you understand what this is like that's not gonna you know no sorry this is taking an htp layer and smearing it on on top of the same garbage this is no this is not gonna help us at all this is and of course everybody's like no wait a minute i'm sorry

um for whatever reason i somehow got i i'm like i think this can really help us i'm like redfish this seems really interesting this is going to solve exactly this kind of problem that you mentioned and remember i remember you being like i don't think you understand what this is like that's not gonna you know no sorry this is taking an htp layer and smearing it on on top of the same garbage this is no this is not gonna help us at all this is and of course everybody's like no wait a minute i'm sorry

And this is, again, this is at Oxide. I dropped the dog patch deck from Joyent into the chat, Robert, but circa 2014 is when I got it. And actually, 2014 on there. And you will see a lot of the Oxide vision there in terms of illuminating both BIOS and UEFI. Much easier said than done. Well, no one took us up on it, so... No one took us up on it. And so, I mean, a bunch of things.

And this is, again, this is at Oxide. I dropped the dog patch deck from Joyent into the chat, Robert, but circa 2014 is when I got it. And actually, 2014 on there. And you will see a lot of the Oxide vision there in terms of illuminating both BIOS and UEFI. Much easier said than done. Well, no one took us up on it, so... No one took us up on it. And so, I mean, a bunch of things.

I mean, one, I mean, I think this is the kind of thing that nobody disagreed with us, that this is the right thing to go do. But it just seemed like, God, it seems really, really, really, really hard. AMD thought it was impossible. And it was in order for us to, I mean, this is the part of the part that is not well-documented.

I mean, one, I mean, I think this is the kind of thing that nobody disagreed with us, that this is the right thing to go do. But it just seemed like, God, it seems really, really, really, really hard. AMD thought it was impossible. And it was in order for us to, I mean, this is the part of the part that is not well-documented.

Um, oh, and I mean, do you want to describe some of your trials and tribulations about like, how did we do this? How did we pull off this? Because I mean, I think this is, I mean, unfortunately, like we had AMD's cooperation at the level of AMD was not going to like get in our way. Right. I mean, AMD is like, what you're doing is so hard.

Um, oh, and I mean, do you want to describe some of your trials and tribulations about like, how did we do this? How did we pull off this? Because I mean, I think this is, I mean, unfortunately, like we had AMD's cooperation at the level of AMD was not going to like get in our way. Right. I mean, AMD is like, what you're doing is so hard.

We don't know how to help you, but we're also like, we're supportive of this effort in the abstract, which is extremely important. Um, but it's also not hugely, hugely helpful. How did we go about on that particular problem?

We don't know how to help you, but we're also like, we're supportive of this effort in the abstract, which is extremely important. Um, but it's also not hugely, hugely helpful. How did we go about on that particular problem?

Hey, listen. Sorry. You'll take it. You'll take what you get. That's ahead of the class for you. That's terrific. They did actually one better in a very important way. And this is why people may have seen the OpenSil effort from AMD around OpenSil and initialization.

Hey, listen. Sorry. You'll take it. You'll take what you get. That's ahead of the class for you. That's terrific. They did actually one better in a very important way. And this is why people may have seen the OpenSil effort from AMD around OpenSil and initialization.

We are very, very supportive of that effort, even though we're not using it at all, because it was tacking in... AMD was going in a lot of the same directions that we were going. So it actually... But... What we were doing was far earlier than OpenCell, before OpenCell was really just kind of still in its kind of earliest phases. So we really were on our own.

We are very, very supportive of that effort, even though we're not using it at all, because it was tacking in... AMD was going in a lot of the same directions that we were going. So it actually... But... What we were doing was far earlier than OpenCell, before OpenCell was really just kind of still in its kind of earliest phases. So we really were on our own.

And Robert, talk about, I mean, surely the work that you did there to understand AGISA has got to rank as one of your most challenging projects in terms of understanding a foreign code base.

And Robert, talk about, I mean, surely the work that you did there to understand AGISA has got to rank as one of your most challenging projects in terms of understanding a foreign code base.

To just... It's presumably where ACPI tables are created as well, right?

To just... It's presumably where ACPI tables are created as well, right?

And it also should be added Robert that it, so you're like, okay, so you've got this like early platform initialization thing. So you have to like follow all the, just the code flow through that. It's like, yeah, about the code flow, describe what makes following the code flow through here. Absolutely brutal.

And it also should be added Robert that it, so you're like, okay, so you've got this like early platform initialization thing. So you have to like follow all the, just the code flow through that. It's like, yeah, about the code flow, describe what makes following the code flow through here. Absolutely brutal.