Bryon Gustafson

I don't know other than life getting busy and it's hard.

It's easy.

So it's spring, summer, and fall is how our trips go.

We've got four trips that we're going to do next year, which are just our standard veteran-led therapeutic adventure trips.

That's what we refer to them as.

We call them VTATs.

We do two floats on the Smith, and then we'll do two hikes, the hikes depending on where, you know.

We've been in the Bob Marshall, the Beartooth, kind of depends on what's happening with weather, fire for the year.

So we started initially that, yeah, everybody had to carry it at one point, and so it was

you know, 70 plus pounds all put together.

And so you, Scott would not have a pack.

He would just break all his components up into the rest of our packs.

So then one person would carry, uh, we'd have a Kifaru, uh, like meat hauler with this on it.

Kifaru.

I've always said Kifaru.

Yeah.

No, they're Wyoming now.

So then one person would take that and carry it at a time, right?

Yeah.

So we got a little smarter with how we did that.