Buck Sexton

And there are really variations on a theme.

People ask like, well, you have a chapter on menticide, a chapter on conditioning, Pavlovian conditioning, actually going into Pavlov, the scientist Pavlov, everyone knows about the dogs.

And people think they know things about this stuff that's actually not really true.

I mean, Pavlov, it was a metronome or a buzzer.

It wasn't a bell.

And he wasn't training dogs, per se.

He was trying to, as a scientist and a Nobel laureate and the most important scientist in Russia before the age of rockets and the Cold War and everything, he was trying to see where the brain, the body, where that connection was.

occurs in a way that's essentially reflexive.

So, what kind of stimuli can you take in from the outside that gives a physiological response because that's clearly your brain directing an actual, you know, an actual physical impulse.

So, that was sort of the heart of his research.

But Lenin comes in and he's like, well, this guy's looking at some interesting stuff here.

We're going to create a new Soviet man.

What if we just sort of had imagery everywhere?

What if we just were pushing a cult of personality and pushing effectively what became mass totalitarian mind control?

And so you look at the tactics of it and then I see where it is in our society around us today and how it can lead lots of people to believe things that are very manifestly and very obviously untrue.

And that's where it becomes partisan and political today.

People can agree or disagree with that aspect of it, but the history and the mind control, and also, by the way, some of the CIA anecdotes.

Mike, I got them to clear, I got the agency to clear my first ever assignment.

This is funny.

I was a trainee, man.