C. Thi Nguyen

And I think the really interesting thing to me was how much the scoring system in rock climbing

mattered to me.

And I kept advancing and kept being good until I hit a wall.

That wall was partly because I'm busy, partly for my own athletic cap, and partly because I became a parent.

And I just couldn't advance.

And when I kept to the scoring system of climbing,

I became miserable, right?

I kept trying to advance to the next level, and I just couldn't.

And I ended up having to... I mean, first I got depressed, and the main thing that was keeping me happy was now miserable.

And I kept doing it for a while, miserably.

And then I finally started...

reformulating it to myself and i was inspired by other people who would say things like oh you know like especially some older climbers are like oh i don't do difficult anymore like i try to be graceful or whatever and i started instead of trying to go harder to go more graceful and that it's super interesting because that gave me the joy back um and it involved i

It involved reprogramming the scoring system to suit my needs.

But I also have to admit that I never would have been in the position to reprogram it in that way if I hadn't kind of blindly followed it at first.

And I just find that fascinating.

Yeah, so I am, this is like the most embarrassing story.

And I put it in the book, so you know.

So I went into philosophy.

In chapter one, I should say.

In chapter one, yeah, it's in chapter one.