C. Thi Nguyen

Yeah, no, you've already answered your own question.

So first back up, remember that

And I think this is really important.

What gaming is, is a motivation.

And two people can be doing the same activity next to each other.

It looks really similar.

And what makes one a game and the other not a game is their reason for doing it.

Whether they're doing it to be involved in the process and the struggle, whether that's essential or whether it's not.

So I also want to say it's really important that not everything that's a game-like is a game.

There's this whole category of game-ish things.

And I think it's really important that there are a lot of times where we hyper-orient towards a scoring system and they're not always games.

A lot of the examples I have in my book are cases where there's a ranking system.

There's so much power attached to it and people just zero on the power via that ranking system.

There's no other way to get it except by that ranking system.

And I'm not, I don't think those are games.

They're game-ish.

They look like games.

They might grab on some gaming psychology, but they're not games in this sense.

But you answered the question already, which is,

I mean, here's one way to put it.