Caitlin Green

Yeah.

And I think, I mean, I like the work that I guess Alex Cooper and Dax Shepard have done in interviewing celebrities because Dax was like a D-list celebrity for a long time.

And he really...

has been forthcoming about how hard that was on his ego.

And he'll talk about that with the people who he's friends with from being in Hollywood.

And Alex Cooper, you know, like she was famous initially for talking about like sex acts on her show.

And now she has like, she has Kamala Harris on.

So I mean, her interview skills have come a long way.

Like I've listened to her for a while.

She's actually a really good interviewer.

So I did find it a bit fluffy that like, you know, Amy has just this sort of like nice chat with celebrities she's friends with and she won.

But the production value is great on that show.

And I'm really just happy to see podcasts celebrated as content now.

Yeah.

I mean, I think that the thing about this is like maybe it just depends on like what side of the Internet you're on.

Mine is like overly obsessed and celebratory of this show.

And it was a book before and the book series was wildly successful.

Yeah.

So I think that my take from heated rivalry has been, it's rare now in 2026 to see two stars who were literally just discovered, not famous, not Nepo babies.

This isn't Gwyneth Paltrow's daughter.