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Caitlin McCabe

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WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

Okay, that makes sense from a company perspective.

WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

But how do investment firms stand to make money here?

WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

So basically what they're doing is they're paying pennies on the dollar today in hopes that they will make a full dollar, if not more, down the line.

WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

And I think that's the big question right now is...

WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

How will this process play out?

WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

In its ruling, the Supreme Court didn't weigh in on whether the government would have to pay refunds on the tariffs, but essentially they're betting, we think that this is going to happen.

WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

We think that companies will get refunds.

WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

And so we'll just pay a fraction of that today in hopes of a bigger payout down the line.

WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

And so even months ago, we saw investment firms buying up these claims.

WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

They were trading in the teens, got as high as around 20 to 22 cents based on what I was hearing.

WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

And then when the Supreme Court decision came out last Friday, that nearly doubled from what I'm hearing in the market.

WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

Now these claims are trading around 40, 40-ish cents on the dollar.

WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

And effectively, that means that investment firms have to pay a whole lot more because there's a little bit more certainty here.

WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

That's what they're wagering.

WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

Again, none of this is guaranteed, but they're thinking, you know, if this market continues to go in this direction, better to lock in 40 cents rather than 50 or 60 or even higher.

WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

There's also a chance some companies are speculating that they might be paid interest on the tariffs that they paid.

WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

So there is a world where potentially investment firms could make that dollar back, plus any interest on top of it.

WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

That was WSJ Markets reporter Caitlin McCabe.

WSJ What’s News
Why Businesses Are Selling Their Tariff Refund Claims to Wall Street

Thanks, Caitlin.

WSJ What’s News
Davos Braces for Greenland Showdown After Trump Posts

President Trump doubles down on his plans to acquire Greenland ahead of expected meetings at the World Economic Forum in Davos.