Cal Newport

And you've got a bunch of stuff going on.

You want to get a good balance of things and piece together a nice schedule that has a lot of good things in it and a mix of things in it and that that's –

That's great.

And anyways, I just – I get a lot of – I hear a lot from people that instead will be like, well, you're optimizing.

You shouldn't talk about time management.

You're taking the capitalist mindset from work and putting it to the rest of your life.

It just feels very different to me.

It feels like –

Life is cool and exuberant and there's a lot to do and you want to make a good plan for it so you get a lot out of your hours each week.

But do it with flexibility and good humor and it can make life pretty interesting.

I think it's just such a different way of thinking about this than the sort of we are being put upon and I guess we have to rebel or whatever the message is.

Well, I enjoyed this conversation a lot.

As always, I always think you have really good grounded, sort of realistic, but also very humanistic and uplifting views about time and time management.

I want to point people towards you.

The book is Big Time, A Simple Path to Time Abundance.

You can find out wherever books are sold.

But you have two different podcasts.

One...

co-hosted with Sarah Hart Unger, who I had on the show to talk about planning a couple months ago, so my listeners might remember.

But walk us through what those two podcasts are, your newsletter.