Caleb Gilbert

Michael, pull up this picture, because I think people need to understand the complexities of what is involved with that, because people will say, how did that happen?

How could it possibly happen?

And I don't ever want to give anybody ideas, but I have some, which I will keep to myself.

So, okay, where do we have here?

Let me orient myself.

It's been a while since I've looked at the location of the shooter.

Okay, so we're going, the shooter was in the viewer's right, looking down to the left.

As somebody who, and we'll get into your background obviously, but let's just say you're very steeped in the personal protection world, how are you looking at this?

Where do you, as a civilian again, and obviously they had law enforcement that was there,

How do you guys start breaking this down?

How do you even get to a place where you are approximating a level of comfort for somebody like Charlie who was, depending on the lens that you're looking at, some people would say he was, I don't know what they would say.

He was polarizing.

Absolutely.

Yeah, we can leave it at that.

He was polarizing.

How do you start this?

We're talking about a... It's actually really tiny.

I mean, obviously, this picture is from above, so things will look smaller, but...

the POV, the camera POVs, it makes it look like it was Petco Stadium in San Diego, and it wasn't.

That's thin, man.