Caller 3

One of the things that I wanted to ask you about, sort of shifting gears a little bit, was about how you were thinking about the deportations when you were writing it and how you were thinking about the way that kind of this like generalized anti-deportation organizing like turns into that and the sort of mutual aid networks that the Society of Martians are doing like directly turns into this thing.

One of the things that I wanted to ask you about, sort of shifting gears a little bit, was about how you were thinking about the deportations when you were writing it and how you were thinking about the way that kind of this like generalized anti-deportation organizing like turns into that and the sort of mutual aid networks that the Society of Martians are doing like directly turns into this thing.

One of the things that I wanted to ask you about, sort of shifting gears a little bit, was about how you were thinking about the deportations when you were writing it and how you were thinking about the way that kind of this like generalized anti-deportation organizing like turns into that and the sort of mutual aid networks that the Society of Martians are doing like directly turns into this thing.

And that's also something that, I don't know, it feels very prescient in ways, even though it was written out before a lot of this stuff happened.

And that's also something that, I don't know, it feels very prescient in ways, even though it was written out before a lot of this stuff happened.

And that's also something that, I don't know, it feels very prescient in ways, even though it was written out before a lot of this stuff happened.

So, I mean, I think the other side of that, though, and this is, you know, part of the reason I brought up specifically, like, the resistance to it was that, like, the other aspect of the kind of individualism of American culture was that it also meant that, you know, a bunch of people went out to the desert.

So, I mean, I think the other side of that, though, and this is, you know, part of the reason I brought up specifically, like, the resistance to it was that, like, the other aspect of the kind of individualism of American culture was that it also meant that, you know, a bunch of people went out to the desert.

So, I mean, I think the other side of that, though, and this is, you know, part of the reason I brought up specifically, like, the resistance to it was that, like, the other aspect of the kind of individualism of American culture was that it also meant that, you know, a bunch of people went out to the desert.

Like, our co-worker James spent a lot of time during the Biden administration, like, at these, I mean, just like the open-air prisons they built in the middle of the fucking desert.

Like, our co-worker James spent a lot of time during the Biden administration, like, at these, I mean, just like the open-air prisons they built in the middle of the fucking desert.

Like, our co-worker James spent a lot of time during the Biden administration, like, at these, I mean, just like the open-air prisons they built in the middle of the fucking desert.

like on the border and you know and like one of the stories that he covered extensively was that like probably most of these people would have died if it wasn't for like literally border volunteers like passing food and water to the bars and that's something that i was thinking about a lot looking at the mutual aid networks and looking at the kind of mutual aid networks that trans people are building up right now and like i mean i okay like there's i mean there's always been a million mutual aid networks because it's just impossible to survive if you're trans without like

like on the border and you know and like one of the stories that he covered extensively was that like probably most of these people would have died if it wasn't for like literally border volunteers like passing food and water to the bars and that's something that i was thinking about a lot looking at the mutual aid networks and looking at the kind of mutual aid networks that trans people are building up right now and like i mean i okay like there's i mean there's always been a million mutual aid networks because it's just impossible to survive if you're trans without like

like on the border and you know and like one of the stories that he covered extensively was that like probably most of these people would have died if it wasn't for like literally border volunteers like passing food and water to the bars and that's something that i was thinking about a lot looking at the mutual aid networks and looking at the kind of mutual aid networks that trans people are building up right now and like i mean i okay like there's i mean there's always been a million mutual aid networks because it's just impossible to survive if you're trans without like

getting stuff from other trans people.

getting stuff from other trans people.

getting stuff from other trans people.

Yeah. Something you touched on there I think is interesting about the way that being forced to live together creates this consciousness. It reminds me a lot of when I was a student, I was an anthropology student, and one of the things that we read was this sort of classic of... I guess, I guess you call it like structuralist Marxist, like anthropology from the eighties.

Yeah. Something you touched on there I think is interesting about the way that being forced to live together creates this consciousness. It reminds me a lot of when I was a student, I was an anthropology student, and one of the things that we read was this sort of classic of... I guess, I guess you call it like structuralist Marxist, like anthropology from the eighties.