Cam Luke

Caleb Daniel, is he still there?

Luke McDonald won't be there.

So that's going to be an entirely new group.

And I think whether there is a real leap into the top four, top six of the competition for North Melbourne will come down to can they find...

personnel that can improve that defensive group?

Can they find... Do they bring someone in and they just turn into a rolled gold recruit for them?

Can they draft a young key defender who turns into a Connor O'Sullivan who I'll talk about a little bit later?

That's probably what's going to determine whether they get there or not because that defensive group is an issue.

I...

I know they looked at him last year.

It's just interesting.

I mean, if you want to be a really system-based defense, he's probably not the guy for you because he naturally... And he was taught by Daniel Talia, who is, just give me a man and I'll beat him.

And that's really handy.

That's very handy, particularly when you come up against very good key forwards.

But if you're a system-based defense, it can become an issue because...

I need you to roll up so then I can roll up.

But if I'm Jordan Butts and I'm reluctant to roll and then the time has come and gone, it's an issue.

So I don't know if he's a perfect fit for them, but they certainly need to keep exploring what it looks like to improve that defensive group personnel-wise.

They get over the Saints.

Yes, it was a good performance too because they were challenged and headed and certainly threatened early.