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Cameron Gleeson

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Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

I hate that word, but it absolutely is.

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

And also if you look at the breadth of their customer base for that, that's also very reassuring.

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

But we can also sort of look at the hyperscalers.

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

If you look at Alphabet's results, so they obviously own Google and Gemini is their sort of core model.

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

The growth in what we call tokens, which you can think of a token as a unit of work for AI, grew 60% quarter on quarter just in their first quarter of this year.

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

And the Google Cloud business has revenue growth of in advance or slightly more than 60%.

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

So just huge growth to these core businesses.

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

But where we start to, you know, really, you know, get a bit more comfort is thinking about that monetization.

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

So not just growing revenue, but are we seeing profitability?

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

And the margins of that Google Cloud business went from below 10% to up to now 32% operating margin.

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

So that's evidence that people are willing to pay.

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

Like right now there is clearly some constrained supply of compute, but we're seeing that that

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

you know, massive growth in basically the consumption of tokens.

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

Yep.

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

Now, a lot of this goes back to a more sophisticated use case for AI.

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

Originally, you were in chat GPT, you were asking a prompt that might consume, say, in a conversation, maybe a thousand tokens.

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

Yep.

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

We then move to agentic AI, where you've got maybe a multi-step workflow, a number of variables, inputs, outputs.

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

And you might be, if you're calling an agent or if you're basically asking an agent to do work, you might be talking about 10,000 tokens.

Australian Finance Podcast
Is AI in a bubble? Cameron Gleeson on the barbell strategy for AI investing.

Mm-hmm.