Cameron Hanes

And also another thing, um, I see you put up like 3 million subscribers. So it's like, is that what type of, does that do anything for you? Is that I mean, cause you'll never let off. You're like, okay, I made it. I'm good. I got 3 million. That was my goal. But you put that up. Like sometimes people will put up things like, like I made it like, this is my, I'm here, but I've arrived to you.

That's just, what is that?

That's just, what is that?

That's just, what is that?

How do you... Is that a measurable that tells you that? No. Because some people look at... I haven't looked at where your podcast is on the charts today. Okay. I like measurables. I need to do this many miles, this fast, at this pace. I want this many... What downloads to the pod? It's like, I love measure measurables. And I think the, my boys have kind of taken on that.

How do you... Is that a measurable that tells you that? No. Because some people look at... I haven't looked at where your podcast is on the charts today. Okay. I like measurables. I need to do this many miles, this fast, at this pace. I want this many... What downloads to the pod? It's like, I love measure measurables. And I think the, my boys have kind of taken on that.

How do you... Is that a measurable that tells you that? No. Because some people look at... I haven't looked at where your podcast is on the charts today. Okay. I like measurables. I need to do this many miles, this fast, at this pace. I want this many... What downloads to the pod? It's like, I love measure measurables. And I think the, my boys have kind of taken on that.

Yeah. I was curious about that just because we're so inundated with these measurables every day with the follower count, the likes, the, you know, when you start getting into podcasts, then it is a downloads because in that affects what you can ask for advertisers. And that's all they give a fuck about. They don't care about what type of connection you had with your guests.

Yeah. I was curious about that just because we're so inundated with these measurables every day with the follower count, the likes, the, you know, when you start getting into podcasts, then it is a downloads because in that affects what you can ask for advertisers. And that's all they give a fuck about. They don't care about what type of connection you had with your guests.

Yeah. I was curious about that just because we're so inundated with these measurables every day with the follower count, the likes, the, you know, when you start getting into podcasts, then it is a downloads because in that affects what you can ask for advertisers. And that's all they give a fuck about. They don't care about what type of connection you had with your guests.

They're like, okay, cool. How many downloads was it? You know? So it's like, we get kind of roped into this trap of everything is measurable and it's like, you're not successful unless you're here. And then when you're here, you better be here. So I was just kind of curious how you navigated that just because it is, it's life nowadays. It is. And it's easy. It's an easy like,

They're like, okay, cool. How many downloads was it? You know? So it's like, we get kind of roped into this trap of everything is measurable and it's like, you're not successful unless you're here. And then when you're here, you better be here. So I was just kind of curious how you navigated that just because it is, it's life nowadays. It is. And it's easy. It's an easy like,

They're like, okay, cool. How many downloads was it? You know? So it's like, we get kind of roped into this trap of everything is measurable and it's like, you're not successful unless you're here. And then when you're here, you better be here. So I was just kind of curious how you navigated that just because it is, it's life nowadays. It is. And it's easy. It's an easy like,

Everybody loves like, how do I compare? So it's an easy comparison. That's why you look at the list on like whose podcast is highest rated. Right. But I think Joe's done a really good job of this, too. It's like and I want to kind of adopt. Well, your mindset is very similar now. That's why he can have on somebody like me.

Everybody loves like, how do I compare? So it's an easy comparison. That's why you look at the list on like whose podcast is highest rated. Right. But I think Joe's done a really good job of this, too. It's like and I want to kind of adopt. Well, your mindset is very similar now. That's why he can have on somebody like me.

Everybody loves like, how do I compare? So it's an easy comparison. That's why you look at the list on like whose podcast is highest rated. Right. But I think Joe's done a really good job of this, too. It's like and I want to kind of adopt. Well, your mindset is very similar now. That's why he can have on somebody like me.

who when I first went on there, nobody, nobody knew who I was, but he, Joe doesn't care. He's just like, am I interested in this person? Most podcasts are like, let's go with the biggest guest. That's going to give me the biggest.

who when I first went on there, nobody, nobody knew who I was, but he, Joe doesn't care. He's just like, am I interested in this person? Most podcasts are like, let's go with the biggest guest. That's going to give me the biggest.

who when I first went on there, nobody, nobody knew who I was, but he, Joe doesn't care. He's just like, am I interested in this person? Most podcasts are like, let's go with the biggest guest. That's going to give me the biggest.

Yeah.