Cammie Crawford

Cammie Crawford, y'all.

Seeing it through to the end at the altar is the theme of the show. Yes. But what is highlighted is not that.

Yes.

Yes, Morgan Bailey.

Yes, yes.

I want to tell what's real.

For me. Exactly. Yeah. And you create that space. And I hope to do that here as well.

Thank you. Outside of podcasting and you've done the reality TV bit, what would you say is your dream job?

Yeah. So you have been hosting reality TV shows for over six years. I've seen catfish X on the beach. Are you the one? Yes. What has reality TV taught you about you?

You don't know. And that can't be the first time. Exactly.

Yeah.

Catch me up. What's new since our last conversation?

When we talk about we need people in the room, that's...

this is what we mean we mean we need women that appreciate other people's stories yes that have the bigger vision that understand like a job needs to get done but it needs to get done where everyone feels seen heard and represented and this is what we mean when we say we need us in the room because having you in spaces like casting production directing can change the game for so many people

I mean that with my heart because like that also just kind of sparked something in my brain. It's like, I actually maybe need to step behind the scenes a little bit because I know what it feels like to feel misrepresented or not represented or not seen or being like, well, maybe if you would have kept in that one line I said, everything would make sense.

You might not get it, but there's a large population of people that would understand exactly what I said. Context is everything. It's everything.

So what? So as a Black woman, how do you feel the current representation of Black women on reality TV like is? How do you feel about it?

I'm going to let you watch it and then call me.

Illegal things.

And now you're fired.

That breaks my heart for everybody involved.

Yeah. At the opening of her spa. Yes. I feel that breaks my heart. I know. That breaks my heart. But, you know, listen. Yeah. we all have choices we're gonna have to offline about that yeah i do want to talk about it what is your favorite reality show and who's your favorite all-time reality star ad from love is fine I can't make this up. I really truly cannot make this up. Okay.

They are cuckoo bananas.

What is this? My third interview today.

Did you watch the most recent season of Love Island USA? No. With like Serena and Jermaine. No.

Yeah. And growing up watching like Flavor of Love, one, what are we like this big? We should have never been watching that. Should have never been watching that. But we didn't realize how pivotal it would be in our culture. Like she's still here. She's still the queen of reality TV. Still in the motherfucking house. Still. Of course. Still.

100%.

And I love that. She's who she thinks she is. She's who she thought she was. Yeah, period.

Oh my God.

That is a submission.

Yeah. That would be so lit. Would you want to be a Trader?

Ooh, we're starting early. Okay, maybe I'm not going out with you. I thought we had an alliance.

You would snitch on me? If you told me you were a traitor. If you told me. You can't snitch on me. I didn't snitch on you and Ollie. Oh, that's facts. Hello. That is facts. No, I wouldn't. I would be like, bring me in. Make me a traitor. Yeah. Yeah. I would definitely. Come on. Yeah. We get the money together. Yes. Okay. That's our submission audition video.

Thank you.

Okay. Let's talk a body image and modeling. You've been talking about your Caribbean household growing up where curves were celebrated. How did that influence you in a way that you viewed your body growing up?

They call my mom Slim. Slim. Slim. See? That would never fly today. No. Ever. What? You can't call a woman Slim. No. Like, that was her nickname growing up, Slim. And she's still pretty slim. She's fire, you know?

She a baddie.

Did I know this? I think my mom had seven kids, so I have two older brothers. Then there's me and then there's four girls under me. Yeah. You're the oldest girl. Oldest girl. So you get it.

I got Botox. Yeah, is mine gone?

I think I'm due. I think I'm due. I really, truly do.

Right, and the one that I woke up with this morning is already dead. What time is it?

I'm already a different person.

Love me some solid core.

I know you do. We have to go together. Yeah, we do 100%. We'll make that happen. Yeah. So in 2010, you were crowned Miss Teen USA. I was. And you were the first Black winner in almost a decade. Yep. How'd that make you feel?

We did not possess.

No, no. not even a little bit not even a little bit it's so like weird to be on this side having this conversation with you i love it i love it because like i feel like now i'm getting to know you in a different capacity like obviously like we text and dm and we do all those things but now i'm getting to step into what you've been doing and it is some shit i'm not gonna lie

They are cuckoo bananas.

What about me? Am I a pageant girl? Have I ever done a pageant?

I could have. And I would have ate down. I thought about it. I thought about it often, but I was just like, it's just not, it's not my thing. It's not my thing. Yeah.

She will come for you in the comments.

Yeah, and then I know like the body standards. I am a dark-skinned black woman with curves. And then you watch it on TV, you get the dark skin, you get the black woman, but the curves, they leave those backstage. Yeah, 1,000%. And those bikinis, there's no way. I would feel so self-conscious. In the real world, body goes crazy.

Yeah.

Okay. Body goes crazy. Now on that stage, not so much. And that would have, that would have tore me up. Cause I already faced a lot of that in NFL and like NBA where it's just like, I was told one time, like you're perfect where you are. Don't gain any weight. Don't lose any weight. And I'm just like, So I need to lose some weight.

It does help. Shout out to my team. I cannot do this shit by myself. Shout out y'all. So do you have anything exciting coming out that you would like the people to know about?

What do you hope young girls who see you on like social media and TV and Sports Illustrated and listen to your podcast, what do you hope they take away from you?

Bye, Grandma. Bye, Grandma. Love you. See you at Thanksgiving.

Right. Bye. Right.

Because there's so many people that will cheerlead for you that sticking around the wrong crowds will have you down in the dumps thinking that you're not her.

Go where you're loved and not tolerated. I think that is something that I think I wake up every day and say to myself, if I start feeling like, oh, I'm just being tolerated. Oh, I'm just here and people are just, it's time to go. You gotta go. Go where the love is. Go where the support is. Go where people are like championing for you.

I mean, time is so short and time is of the essence and you don't want to waste it on somebody that's tolerating you, whether it's work, family, relationships, like friends. Go where your love.

Even still. But even still. Start building in the background.

It's 2025.

Do whatever you want. Now is the time. Now is the time. You can literally be a president. You can literally be the president of the United States.

Literally. You can run the world. You can run the world.

Hello, 92%.

Hello, hello. That's what I'm gonna do. And that's where the focus should be. That's where the focus should be. Yes. Let's gauge your opinion on this. Um, you're falling for someone, but you have opposite, opposite political views. How do you navigate that? And what would you, what would you do one? And how would you suggest?

As you should be. Very strict.

Yeah. The first target.

Because what's the real tea?

Really?

It's not cute. It's not funny. No. And it doesn't, I think a lot of people fail to realize that you can't big me up by talking shit about another woman. No. I will immediately look at you and be like, Yes. Oh, whoa. Yes. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Red flag. That doesn't make me feel good if you're like, I can't stand this type of woman. No. Okay.

You're strange. I'm not going to be like, oh, perfect. Yeah. Oh, perfect. Great. That's disgusting.

Come on. So you're gonna tell me you're gonna hate our baby? What? Can't do that.

No. And what do you think about yourself?

That's where it stems. Self-hate for me. That's where it stems.

Yeah. Because political views and morality are one in the same. Linked. Are one in the same.

Don't talk to me about taxes. And tariffs. You don't have no money. Please. You don't have no money. I don't want to hear nothing about tax. You don't have no money.

Now we can switch the tone up a little bit. Yes. A little game time called Love It or Leave It.

Basically, we're gonna react to some popular dating trends and viral relationship advice and decide if we love it or leave it. Okay. Okay? So, birth order compatibility, where you and your partner fall in your family's birth order can affect the success of your relationship. For example, the oldest son and the youngest daughter are super compatible.

Okay. I agree with that. So I don't know.

No, no, no. What about you and Ollie? I'm third and Ollie is fourth.

Yeah. So he's like the second youngest. He's got four sisters.

Yeah. And he's the second youngest. Okay.

And I'm the oldest girl. Right. So yes, but he has sisters.

Love it or leave it active listening. When having a conversation with your partner, think of listening as a gift of intention and not as receiving information.

I need you to actively shut up.

Yeah.

You were silenced. Leave it. Leave it. No, I need Ollie to actively listen. Really? I need him to actively be engaged. Yeah, be engaged. And I need you to be like, yep. Mm-hmm. Yep. What if he doesn't agree? then tell me after, but actively listen to me in the moment. Cause that will piss me off.

That's not where I go. If you want smoke, go to Relationship. If you want smoke, go to Kami. Because she's not about to hold back. She will come for you in the comments.

You know what I told him the other day?

We were like going back and forth. It was pretty heated. And he goes, can I talk? Can I talk? And I said, yeah, but I want you to know if you lie, I'm interjecting and I'm interrupting you. And he's like, well, never mind. And I'm just like, okay, go ahead. Go ahead. You can talk. You can talk. See, and that's the time. I warned him that I was going to interrupt. Yeah.

Because sometimes the stories go left and I'm like, let's get back on track.

Because if I'm active listening, active, stay on track.

Don't do it to me. I'm like, can I talk?

I'm helping you get your point out the correct way is how I see it.

Wrong.

So let me interject, but you actively listen. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. It depends. It depends on who needs the listening.

She said what? Wait, say that part again? So you were just minding your business. Exactly. You were just minding your business. You were just minding your business.

Yeah. And then have a full conversation about it. Yeah. Yeah. And then go get me a mock check.

We love a matcha. Okay. So that one's love it and leave it. Yeah, it depends.

Um, olive theory originally from how I met your mother, but our relationship will only succeed if one person hates olives and the other one loves them. Love it or leave it.

The definition of we ride at dawn.

Not good. Literal, like rubbing alcohol. Yes. With an olive in it. With a pickly twist. I think that's gross. When they shove the blue cheese in it, you've taken it too far. You've lost me. You've taken it too far. You've lost me. Okay. I don't know if I'm going to lose you here, but that is in the same category with, what are those drinks people have the next day when they're hung over at brunch?

The definition of we ride at dawn.

Bloody Mary's. Absolutely not.

You're not going to gaslight me into thinking your tomato vodka pickle bacon juice. No. Is good. Stop.

Get yourself a mimosa or an espresso martini.

The definition.

It looks disgusting.

I'm not even hungover and I'm sick. It's not even really tomato. I don't know what it is. When I used to bartend and it would come in this little plastic thing and... Anyway, so how did we get there? Olives. I love olives. I believe it's kind of true because I've dated a lot of men that don't like olives. I just don't. I always find guys that don't like olives. Olives are bomb.

So actually she was in the safest place that she could have been.

I'll eat them right out the jar.

When I come over, have a nice chilled jar of olives for me, please. Thank you. That's why we get along. I'll do it for you. That's why this relationship works. Yeah. I love him. You hate him. Thank you. Okay. Let's move on. Do you have a cringy dating story that still haunts you till this day where you're just like, Ooh,

Yeah, I love that.

I love that.

Can I get a demo?

Laughing with your eyes wide open.

You saw the whites of his eyes.

I'm not that funny. Not eyes wide open funny.

Oh, he was active listening.

This poor guy is just happy. Whatever. And he's scaring everybody. Too happy. As a Scorpio? You should never be that happy. What the?

And there's so much tea that I told you after that you kept. I don't, I'm not. What? There was so much. And you just like, girl, I got your back. I know what I know. And I got your back.

Chill.

Yeah.

He said, you're mine. I'm not the person to do that to. I showed you the whites of my eyes. You belong to me.

He probably was. He didn't work. Have you heard from him since? No. No.

I don't like it. Don't ever talk to me like that. I'm envisioning it and I'm scared. I'm scared.

That sounds like a title of a horror movie. Yes.

It was so strange. You don't deserve that.

Right, but you're not busy enough for me. You're not busy enough for me.

Yes, she did.

Yeah. Okay. This has been a blast. Are we done? We don't have to be. Did you want to ask me something?

I'm coming.

Yeah. I'm going to come after Perfect Match drops. Wait, are you on Perfect Match? Mm-hmm. Wait. Is that how you and Ali met? Uh-huh. And that's all I'm going to say. Don't ask me no more questions. Cut the cameras, badass. What? Mm-hmm. We took it too far.

Thank you. Thank you. You've always been so supportive of me and my journey. And I can't thank you enough for always having my back and being a safe space for women and humans and people to come and confide in you. Because we know if someone's going to have our back, it's this woman right here.

We really appreciate you. And I hope to create a space like that for you. If you need to come back and get something off or if we need a ride at dawn, you already know who to call. Okay. I really, really love you. I'm so grateful to have you here. Thank you for having me. We need to go to lunch, dinner, get you some olives.

And they're still in the clip. And they're still, yeah. Okay. Moving forward. That is an amazing interview. I cannot wait to watch that.

I love you, girl. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you guys for tuning into another episode of What's the Reality. Be sure to follow me on all social platforms at What's the Reality Pod. Please subscribe on YouTube. Don't play with me. And come back next week for another episode. Bye.

You already know where I'm going. Oh my God, what? Your man. Yeah, I'm going there because you get the relationship information on everybody else and they man. And you said Wizard Kelly will not be named and not be seen. Nope. Why are you choosing to keep that so private?

you guys what's up and welcome back to what's the reality but i'm gonna say this again before we get into this episode you guys i notice you're watching but you're not subscribing so press that button and help your girl out we have such an amazing episode today i'm sitting here with the fabulous the wonderful the one and only cami crop for y'all thank you

Did you guys break up?

There's literally people stalking other people's Instagrams, waiting for you to take photos of your person down, waiting for you to not post them. Like literally, if I post a picture of Ali and I don't tag him, somebody's going to be like, oh, she didn't tag him.

The world is ruthless. And as much as you think people are rooting for you, there are so many people praying and waiting on the downfall.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They think they got one up. Like to tell me. He's not a secret. He is a real human. Yes. This is just my page and what I want to do on my page.

Oh, no.

The back of the head.

We can piece a man together at this point.

That's all you got to know. That's all you need to know.

I'm crying. I love that because me and Ollie were private for so long.

And you didn't text me. You said, congratulations, keep it private. That's when the rumors were starting to, like, you know, surface. And everybody was taking pictures and posting. And, obviously, I could not say anything. But I was enjoying not saying anything. It's so nice. We give so much.

How are you?

And now that we're public, we're loving it. Like everyone's, you know, so sweet. But it's also like I miss that bubble already. Yeah, I really do.

Yeah, that was the plan. But you had moments behind the scenes.

And I don't care. I don't give a damn. I couldn't care less. Anyway, now that we cleared that up, congratulations on your Webby award now. I'm very happy.

Because girl, I'm not going to lie.

You want to hang up the towel.

But you showed up. Yeah. And I love that. Because I love you. And I appreciate it. Duh. OK, so you give really, really great advice, like relationship advice on your podcast. Has that changed the way you approach your own relationships?

Listen, you guys, you may recognize our girl from not only Catfish on MTV, Sports Illustrated. Hello. Also have your people from Sports Illustrated call my people.

Yes. So you don't just give it you. You have to take it.

I know what I need to do.

Okay. Besides me, because I know you're going to say me, who is your all-time favorite person that you've had on relationship? You. Duh. Hello. No, that was so lit. That was so lit. I think I'm going to go home and play that. We had such a good time. That was so fun.

You know, I don't know. I think we talked about it, but to refresh... Kami is an avid, avid reality show commentator. And like, she doesn't, she just does this in her free time. Like with the, with the toast, she'll put on like a filter and she will just go in on all the shows. Right. So it just happened to be my turn. Yes. Yes.

I'm never going to be this hot again. Girl, please. And her own podcast.

Yep. Little did I know you were already trying to get in touch.

Yes. And I was like, 18. I need you on the show. And I was immediately. Yes.

relationship yes shit okay with capital sh okay okay i'm so happy you're here last time you saw me i was fighting for my life i was in shambles yes correct i'm not life comes at you fast quick fast in a hurry yes okay you are god's favorite you know i'm on the list next to you i'm on the list girl do my i don't got one of those yet but when i do i'm gonna be yeah i'm gonna be on the list with you

Yes. That is what the show is about from the beginning of getting in the pod.