Carl Nellis

And then the story that we get in the book kind of peels back that headline layer and takes us into, with each story, some of the intricacies behind it. And that's a fascinating process, even for the stuff that is in the present where I'm like, yeah, that's my snafu. That's my present day snafu. I'm like, wow, there's some new nuggets here, even for me who remembers that present day event.

And then the story that we get in the book kind of peels back that headline layer and takes us into, with each story, some of the intricacies behind it. And that's a fascinating process, even for the stuff that is in the present where I'm like, yeah, that's my snafu. That's my present day snafu. I'm like, wow, there's some new nuggets here, even for me who remembers that present day event.

You're right. Like each of them has a different flavor, the different decades. Yeah.

You're right. Like each of them has a different flavor, the different decades. Yeah.

So speaking of those stories, what are some of your favorites from the book? Now that you've put this book together, like what's sticking with you? Honestly, they're all my babies.

So speaking of those stories, what are some of your favorites from the book? Now that you've put this book together, like what's sticking with you? Honestly, they're all my babies.

And just from that story, there's also a phrase that the CIA used to cover their tracks about that secret operation that has entered the public lexicon. And if you want to know what it is, got to read that chapter of the book. Thank you. Yes. For me, there's one from the 1950s where there was a Canadian nuclear reactor that melts down.

And just from that story, there's also a phrase that the CIA used to cover their tracks about that secret operation that has entered the public lexicon. And if you want to know what it is, got to read that chapter of the book. Thank you. Yes. For me, there's one from the 1950s where there was a Canadian nuclear reactor that melts down.

And the Canadians need immediate emergency help to contain the disaster that's happening. And so they reach out to the nearest experts. And it's some U.S. nuclear sub guys in New York State. They head up over the border. They work out a wild plan to save this melting down nuclear reactor.

And the Canadians need immediate emergency help to contain the disaster that's happening. And so they reach out to the nearest experts. And it's some U.S. nuclear sub guys in New York State. They head up over the border. They work out a wild plan to save this melting down nuclear reactor.

And the thing that's so cool about this story is that the person leading that team trying to save the melting down nuclear reactor is future President Jimmy Carter.

And the thing that's so cool about this story is that the person leading that team trying to save the melting down nuclear reactor is future President Jimmy Carter.

Yeah, and he's 20. No, he's very, very young at this point. And there's also a little connection in this chapter to the Allman brothers that I love. It's one of those really funny moments that I'm glad is in the book.

Yeah, and he's 20. No, he's very, very young at this point. And there's also a little connection in this chapter to the Allman brothers that I love. It's one of those really funny moments that I'm glad is in the book.

In terms of the book coming out, you know, I mean, we're talking about this because we're getting close. What's it like gearing up for a book launch? Does it feel similar to you? I mean... You've had so many incredible projects come out over the years, including some great podcasts, I might say. How does gearing up for a book launch feel compared to promoting a new movie or TV show?

In terms of the book coming out, you know, I mean, we're talking about this because we're getting close. What's it like gearing up for a book launch? Does it feel similar to you? I mean... You've had so many incredible projects come out over the years, including some great podcasts, I might say. How does gearing up for a book launch feel compared to promoting a new movie or TV show?

It's very similar, honestly.

It's very similar, honestly.

You're going to get to talk history. You're going to you're going to go around the country talking history with folks like that.

You're going to get to talk history. You're going to you're going to go around the country talking history with folks like that.