Carl Zimmer

The health care workers need them.

And we need to make sure they have enough.

And if you think about that, there's a problem there because like, yeah, fine.

Why don't the healthcare workers have their own independent supply of masks?

And then we can sort of address the question, do masks work in the general community?

Which is a legitimate scientific question.

I know there are people who say, oh, masks don't work.

There's plenty of studies that show that they can reduce risk.

But

Unfortunately, you actually had people like Fauci himself who were saying like, oh, you might see people wearing masks in other countries.

I wouldn't do it.

And then just a few weeks later, when it was really clear just how bad things were getting, he turns around.

and says people should wear masks.

But Jerome Adams, who you mentioned, Surgeon General, he gets on TV and he's trying to wrap a cloth around his face and saying, look, you can make your own mask.

And it was not ideal, shall we say.

Yeah, yeah.

It's a fascinating story.

So there was a woman who was working for 3M.

She was consulting with them on just making new products.

And she really liked the technology they used for making these sort of gift ribbons, sort of blown polymers.