Carl Zimmer

I think commitment is putting it a little strongly.

The Biden administration is setting targets.

They're encouraging that people meet certain targets.

And those people you mentioned, like Joe Allen at Harvard, have actually been putting together standards, like saying, okay, let's

Let's say that when you build a new school or a new building, let's say that you make sure that you don't get carbon dioxide readings above this rate.

Let's try to get 14 liters per second per person of ventilated fresh air.

And they're actually going further.

They've actually said now, we think this should be law.

We think these should be government mandates.

We have government mandates for clean water.

We have government mandates for clean food.

We don't just say like, you know, it'd be nice, you know, if...

you know, if your bottled water didn't have cholera in it.

Like, we wouldn't make a little prize.

Who's got the least cholera in their water?

We don't do that.

We don't expect that.

We expect more.

We expect, like, you know, when you get the water, you know, or if you get, you know, anything, you expect it to be clean, and you expect people to be following the law.

So what Joseph Allen, Lydia Marosca, Lindsay Marr, and others are saying is, like, okay, let's have a law.