Carl

He's like, hey, look, I want to do research.

I don't product's cool, but like,

I'm in it for the decades, not, you know, giving you ability to vibe code.

That's not his deal.

Like he doesn't want to do that.

He wants to, you know, take, go, go more with fair.

So it's just neat to, to see the, still there's two different angles, right?

There's the research side.

And then there is definitely the product side.

And I know everyone's looking at the product side, but it's like,

how long did it take to get all the products but the research in the back end to get into it and i think that that's key is what jan is doing what some like uh ilia is probably doing we don't hear about it but

And maybe we'll never hear about it.

But the products that will come out of that is going to be fantastic.

But they will probably maybe you're not even getting to get the credit.

Right.

It's going to be whether it's Sam Altman, whether it's Sundar Pichai, whether it's a new company that comes up with whatever product we're using.

the background research was never it's like oh you know how how often is jeffrey hinton brought up he's brought up but like how often is he brought up in the conversation about what the stuff we're using very little right but like dude was like a big part of that initial initial movement right so yeah yeah

Yeah, rate limited.

So I'm like, screw that.

I'm like, forget this.