Carla Denyer

The second fundamental principle in the bill is that climate and nature are so interrelated that we have to tackle them as one, having completely separate bits of legislation that don't interact at all. puts the government at risk of making decisions that will be good for climate, but bad for nature and or vice versa.

The second fundamental principle in the bill is that climate and nature are so interrelated that we have to tackle them as one, having completely separate bits of legislation that don't interact at all. puts the government at risk of making decisions that will be good for climate, but bad for nature and or vice versa.

And the third is democracy, basically, that people should have a voice in solutions. And so there's a section in the bill around using a climate assembly or a climate advisory council so that the government can be advised by what the public has an appetite for, which I think is really important because the fastest way to decarbonise is to bring people along with you.

And the third is democracy, basically, that people should have a voice in solutions. And so there's a section in the bill around using a climate assembly or a climate advisory council so that the government can be advised by what the public has an appetite for, which I think is really important because the fastest way to decarbonise is to bring people along with you.

And actually loads of polling shows that the public have got much more of an appetite for urgent action on climate than I think most politicians realise. But you have to make sure that you do it in a way that puts the responsibility for paying for it on those with the broader shoulders.

And actually loads of polling shows that the public have got much more of an appetite for urgent action on climate than I think most politicians realise. But you have to make sure that you do it in a way that puts the responsibility for paying for it on those with the broader shoulders.

And you don't accidentally design a policy that means that those on the lowest incomes are put in a more difficult situation, of course. And so that's where the Climate Assembly comes in.

And you don't accidentally design a policy that means that those on the lowest incomes are put in a more difficult situation, of course. And so that's where the Climate Assembly comes in.

Yeah. And the less sunny part of this story, let's say, is that with still only a couple of days to go until we debate and hopefully vote on this bill, we still don't know if we have Labour support. Right. I see. But...

Yeah. And the less sunny part of this story, let's say, is that with still only a couple of days to go until we debate and hopefully vote on this bill, we still don't know if we have Labour support. Right. I see. But...

We have the support of individual Labour MPs, including some co-sponsors. We have the support of nearly 200 MPs in principle. Nearly 200 MPs signed a pledge before or since the election saying that they would support this.

We have the support of individual Labour MPs, including some co-sponsors. We have the support of nearly 200 MPs in principle. Nearly 200 MPs signed a pledge before or since the election saying that they would support this.

So the big question is whether all those people that in the run up to an election said that they would support it are actually going to put their bum on a seat and support it when the moment matters.

So the big question is whether all those people that in the run up to an election said that they would support it are actually going to put their bum on a seat and support it when the moment matters.

The climate science isn't going to budge for politics. The climate science is that we must stay within 1.5 to have a good chance of avoiding catastrophic climate change.

The climate science isn't going to budge for politics. The climate science is that we must stay within 1.5 to have a good chance of avoiding catastrophic climate change.

Yeah.

Yeah.

but also that every fraction of a degree matters. So very depressingly, we found out that 2024 exceeded 1.5 degrees. But because of the intricacies of the atmosphere and the climate and how it works, that doesn't necessarily mean we've permanently passed it. Right. And even if we have, we should have policies that aim to haul it back as much as possible. So I still think it is...

but also that every fraction of a degree matters. So very depressingly, we found out that 2024 exceeded 1.5 degrees. But because of the intricacies of the atmosphere and the climate and how it works, that doesn't necessarily mean we've permanently passed it. Right. And even if we have, we should have policies that aim to haul it back as much as possible. So I still think it is...