Carla Joy Bergman

Big question. I mean, my work has always been about intervening around any kind of dominant narratives that things are just now bad or that people don't know what anything or pedagogically they're lacking. Like I've always tried to intervene around this idea that we've always been otherwise and we always are.

Big question. I mean, my work has always been about intervening around any kind of dominant narratives that things are just now bad or that people don't know what anything or pedagogically they're lacking. Like I've always tried to intervene around this idea that we've always been otherwise and we always are.

Big question. I mean, my work has always been about intervening around any kind of dominant narratives that things are just now bad or that people don't know what anything or pedagogically they're lacking. Like I've always tried to intervene around this idea that we've always been otherwise and we always are.

And there's always cracks everywhere and eruptions of radical ways of being and knowing and doing. And so it's like a deepening of that. And I think probably on a systemic, Thinking systemically is really about disrupting individualism or liberalism or empire, whatever you want to, colonialism, to really live it in the everyday. So that's partly that.

And there's always cracks everywhere and eruptions of radical ways of being and knowing and doing. And so it's like a deepening of that. And I think probably on a systemic, Thinking systemically is really about disrupting individualism or liberalism or empire, whatever you want to, colonialism, to really live it in the everyday. So that's partly that.

And there's always cracks everywhere and eruptions of radical ways of being and knowing and doing. And so it's like a deepening of that. And I think probably on a systemic, Thinking systemically is really about disrupting individualism or liberalism or empire, whatever you want to, colonialism, to really live it in the everyday. So that's partly that.

And then on just a super practical level, all of us don't have wealth. don't have generational wealth, are working all the time to try to meet ends meet. And some of us have housing insecurity and other real basic needs are insecure and health stuff. And so actually showing up for each of us is at the core of it for me.

And then on just a super practical level, all of us don't have wealth. don't have generational wealth, are working all the time to try to meet ends meet. And some of us have housing insecurity and other real basic needs are insecure and health stuff. And so actually showing up for each of us is at the core of it for me.

And then on just a super practical level, all of us don't have wealth. don't have generational wealth, are working all the time to try to meet ends meet. And some of us have housing insecurity and other real basic needs are insecure and health stuff. And so actually showing up for each of us is at the core of it for me.

It feels so good in my body to know that I'm not just showing up to think about what to do for Ka. For me, it's in the act of collectivism for each other. And so I'm just open to what sparks and emerges with our work. I don't have an agenda except for to disrupt things. and intervene belief systems that are ideologically driven by empire.

It feels so good in my body to know that I'm not just showing up to think about what to do for Ka. For me, it's in the act of collectivism for each other. And so I'm just open to what sparks and emerges with our work. I don't have an agenda except for to disrupt things. and intervene belief systems that are ideologically driven by empire.

It feels so good in my body to know that I'm not just showing up to think about what to do for Ka. For me, it's in the act of collectivism for each other. And so I'm just open to what sparks and emerges with our work. I don't have an agenda except for to disrupt things. and intervene belief systems that are ideologically driven by empire.

And I also came of age in the early eighties in the punk scene and had a venue space. And to me, punk is, and I would say hip hop as well. Hip underground hip hop stuff is like always the way to disrupt being captured by empire or from liberalism is to keep that punk ethos of doing it together and keeping it low to the ground. Yeah. Yeah.

And I also came of age in the early eighties in the punk scene and had a venue space. And to me, punk is, and I would say hip hop as well. Hip underground hip hop stuff is like always the way to disrupt being captured by empire or from liberalism is to keep that punk ethos of doing it together and keeping it low to the ground. Yeah. Yeah.

And I also came of age in the early eighties in the punk scene and had a venue space. And to me, punk is, and I would say hip hop as well. Hip underground hip hop stuff is like always the way to disrupt being captured by empire or from liberalism is to keep that punk ethos of doing it together and keeping it low to the ground. Yeah. Yeah.

Thanks Vicki.

Thanks Vicki.

Thanks Vicki.

Well, thanks for having us.

Well, thanks for having us.