Carlo Cisco

pre 50 post.

Um, it's possible it goes higher than that.

There's been some crazy things in the FinTech space lately.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But that tends to be a standard that you sort of have to do in a, in a round like that.

We've, we've thought about that and we've actually done a little bit of, of, of venture debt along the way too.

Um, which firm?

Uh, so you're not going to know the specific firm, but it was actually one of our, um, other institutional investors that invested, you know, equity convertible note or whatever.

Um, also open sort of like a venture debt, um, fund separately.

But, um, I'm curious, I'm curious about even the small players in that space.

And this one's called EVPI Investments and they're based out of Florida.

But it was the partner there was from a hedge fund called Landscape Capital, which was one of our first bigger investors.

And they're now doing venture debt.

Yes.

So that specific firm is doing venture debt.

I mean, look, the other options that are.

that are good that we've certainly talked to.

There's kind of a number of those now.

There's a ton.