Carlos Barragan

I showed her news stories about

scammers all over the world, in Nigeria, in Southeast Asia.

And she didn't believe it, you know, because she had already told so many things about herself, about her family.

She had already pictured this man in her head.

So it took hard evidence.

And my mom said, oh, what a fool I am, because she saw it when I showed her the IP email address.

So I guess that it took hard evidence to convince her.

No, because it was right when the guy was going to ask for money.

They come up with so many excuses.

He had passed like maybe a month or two during the scam and they waited.

He waited for a month until my mom was really hooked to then come up with an excuse.

They tell you they're going to send you money, gold bars or whatever.

And then the next

email you receive is the gold bars are stuck here in an airport.

You need to send money.

So it's important to tell listeners, my mom didn't care about the money.

You know, we are like a middle class family in Madrid.

But that money, they come up with that idea because with that money, they are going to build a house and they're going to be together.

So the money is linked to the idea of forming a family, of being with someone else again.

Exactly.