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Carol Leonnig

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
448 total appearances

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The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

So there's a lot that's gotten a buzzsaw taken to it in the Department of Justice's arsenal to fight corruption at home and abroad. And abroad, the FCPA is really about like American businessmen and women and companies and lobbyists can't bribe governments abroad to get their fork in that country.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

we want to avoid corruption of other countries and we want to avoid aiding and abetting it and encouraging it because it's bad for us. It's bad for those countries, but that, tool is basically taken off the table for the government. And it's super worrisome. There are other executive orders by Pampandi, particularly about FARA.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

we want to avoid corruption of other countries and we want to avoid aiding and abetting it and encouraging it because it's bad for us. It's bad for those countries, but that, tool is basically taken off the table for the government. And it's super worrisome. There are other executive orders by Pampandi, particularly about FARA.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

we want to avoid corruption of other countries and we want to avoid aiding and abetting it and encouraging it because it's bad for us. It's bad for those countries, but that, tool is basically taken off the table for the government. And it's super worrisome. There are other executive orders by Pampandi, particularly about FARA.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

That's the one where you're supposed to register as an agent of a foreign government if you're lobbyists for them. That enforcement tool is less worrisome, even though that's been neutered as well, is less worrisome to many of the sources that I speak to.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

That's the one where you're supposed to register as an agent of a foreign government if you're lobbyists for them. That enforcement tool is less worrisome, even though that's been neutered as well, is less worrisome to many of the sources that I speak to.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

That's the one where you're supposed to register as an agent of a foreign government if you're lobbyists for them. That enforcement tool is less worrisome, even though that's been neutered as well, is less worrisome to many of the sources that I speak to.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

But foreign corrupt practices, you know, this has been a mainstay for keeping our city on a hill modeling as a country and demanding it of other countries. And so what's funny to me, funny is not the right word. What's ironic to me is this is what Trump wanted in 2017. And I reported on this in a book that I wrote with my colleague, Phil Rucker, a very stable genius.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

But foreign corrupt practices, you know, this has been a mainstay for keeping our city on a hill modeling as a country and demanding it of other countries. And so what's funny to me, funny is not the right word. What's ironic to me is this is what Trump wanted in 2017. And I reported on this in a book that I wrote with my colleague, Phil Rucker, a very stable genius.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

But foreign corrupt practices, you know, this has been a mainstay for keeping our city on a hill modeling as a country and demanding it of other countries. And so what's funny to me, funny is not the right word. What's ironic to me is this is what Trump wanted in 2017. And I reported on this in a book that I wrote with my colleague, Phil Rucker, a very stable genius.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

Trump had basically confronted Rex Tillerson, not really part of the Justice Department firmament. He was the Secretary of State. And while they're sitting together talking, Trump says, look, I want to get rid of this Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, this bribery statute. It's just not a level playing field for American business people because they can't bribe. And that is so classic Trump, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

Trump had basically confronted Rex Tillerson, not really part of the Justice Department firmament. He was the Secretary of State. And while they're sitting together talking, Trump says, look, I want to get rid of this Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, this bribery statute. It's just not a level playing field for American business people because they can't bribe. And that is so classic Trump, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

Trump had basically confronted Rex Tillerson, not really part of the Justice Department firmament. He was the Secretary of State. And while they're sitting together talking, Trump says, look, I want to get rid of this Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, this bribery statute. It's just not a level playing field for American business people because they can't bribe. And that is so classic Trump, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

Let's level the playing field so everybody can crime. And Tillerson, as I reported at the time, was aghast. First, he was saying, I'm your Secretary of State. Second, that's a law, so I can't undo it. And third, it's really great that we have that protection, that anti-bribery statute.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

Let's level the playing field so everybody can crime. And Tillerson, as I reported at the time, was aghast. First, he was saying, I'm your Secretary of State. Second, that's a law, so I can't undo it. And third, it's really great that we have that protection, that anti-bribery statute.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

Let's level the playing field so everybody can crime. And Tillerson, as I reported at the time, was aghast. First, he was saying, I'm your Secretary of State. Second, that's a law, so I can't undo it. And third, it's really great that we have that protection, that anti-bribery statute.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

So Trump eventually forgot somewhere along the line, forgot that this was a huge priority of us because he kind of hit that roadblock with Rex Tillerson, though he may have tried to bring it up other places. It didn't go anywhere. But boom, here we are, Trump 2.0, and it's happening.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

So Trump eventually forgot somewhere along the line, forgot that this was a huge priority of us because he kind of hit that roadblock with Rex Tillerson, though he may have tried to bring it up other places. It didn't go anywhere. But boom, here we are, Trump 2.0, and it's happening.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

So Trump eventually forgot somewhere along the line, forgot that this was a huge priority of us because he kind of hit that roadblock with Rex Tillerson, though he may have tried to bring it up other places. It didn't go anywhere. But boom, here we are, Trump 2.0, and it's happening.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

You know, what you said just made me think about the lens through which we watch Donald Trump, which is a person who's unapologetically transactional and a real estate investor who thinks about acquiring things. And now, you know, Greenland, Canada, Gaza, and a person who who isn't thinking about sort of the model of America, but is thinking of the model of Donald Trump.